Yamaha Red Label?

  • Yamaha Red Label?

    Posted by Mike Kugler Kugler Guitars on December 1, 2023 at 8:12 am

    Anyone have any tips, warnings, ransom money, or feudal gripes with an older Yamaha red label neck reset?

    I’m finding out that these can either be straightforward or a can of “why am I a luthier” breakdown type of joint.

    I can provide photos and such if need be.

    Mike Kugler Kugler Guitars replied 2 years, 3 months ago 4 Members · 6 Replies
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  • Rick Liftig luthier wannabe… slowly gettinthere

    Member
    December 4, 2023 at 5:15 pm

    Check out this site: https://yamahavintagefg.boards.net . It’s probably got the most comprehensive coverage of vintage Yamaha guitars.

    From what I have read, removing these necks is hit or miss as far as what glue was used in the joint. And almost every one agrees that patience and persistence will win the day.

  • I’ve done at least 3 of these. Nice tight fits with what appeared to be pretty strong hide glue. Took much longer to get it to move (using steam, before the heat sticks) compared to a Martin.

  • Mike Kugler Kugler Guitars

    Member
    December 5, 2023 at 2:01 pm

    Thank you both!

    From what I can tell, it’ll be a time consuming pull but not a difficult joint. So that’s sounding fine by me.

  • Alex Wood — Wood Instruments

    Member
    December 11, 2023 at 1:21 am

    Not sure if you already pulled it, but hopefully these few things can be helpful. I reset an FG 180 this year and found these to be some of the trickier issues with it.

    -super tight fit (as mentioned by others)

    -lots of glue, including between the sides of the body and the engrain of the heel

    -The one I worked on had a shallow dovetail and the air space behind it fell short of the 15th fret, so getting my probes in the right spot (via fret slot) was tricky

    -I used steam and dry heat but still could not pull it. It was wiggling A LOT but the fit was still so tight that it would not pull. I ended up sawing through the fingerboard at the 11th fret, removing the portion covering the joint and inserting probes directly between the dovetail cheeks and the pocket. Came loose after that—Phew! Hopefully it wont get to that point for you. But if it does— don’t sweat it, everything went back together just fine and it only needed minimal finish touch up.

    • Mike Kugler Kugler Guitars

      Member
      December 14, 2023 at 5:57 pm

      Funny you mention that. I recall a Yamaha from years ago on my bench that did the same thing. Felt super loose, man this is great….WOULD NOT come loose without creative sawing.

      Trust me,I will be in this thread with any sideways business.

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