Super Strat Wiring options

[Mike Hoenerhoff Elderly Instruments]

Yes it is possible. You’d need the 4 pole super switch though, I don’t think it can be done with the 2 pole version.

[Gerry Hayes Haze Guitars]

Yeah, should be possible. I’ve a few wiring things to think about and hope to get some time in the next day or two so will draw something out for you then. Do you/customer intend keeping the regular Strat tone configuration?

[JD Metzinger ‎ ‎]

We’re thinking about doing:

Bridge volume

Neck and Middle volume

Bridge only, or master tone

Customer gave the ok to use a push/pull if needed but doesn’t want extra switches if possible

[Ethan Muter Muter Music]

I’m sure it’s possible, but I haven’t tried anything like it before. Have you tried searching Google? For the blower switch, do you mean to run the bridge humbucker straight to the output, bypassing volume and tome controls? If so, that’s not that hard to do.

[JD Metzinger ‎ ‎]

I looked pretty deeply but didn’t find a diagram for quite what I want to do. Was going to use the info available to cobble together a diagram for myself, but thought someone might’ve tackled something similar here!

[Jacob Wieder]

<div>I would do it like this.</div>

You would only need one half of the switch

https://www.thomann.de/de/harley_benton_parts_grisby_10_way_switch.htm?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw28W2BhC7ARIsAPerrcKmKPr0p75j_sygbJuWKb_i7AigUF9EvqSdsAQIzbjuKgUfvqhEtTYaAq5BEALw_wcB

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[JD Metzinger ‎ ‎]

Thank you! I will check this out and see if the customer is into this configuration

[Gerry Hayes Haze Guitars]

Jacob’s switching is more elegant but, just in case you need more options, I’ve included another circuit. As shown, this one splits the humbucker to the opposite coil as Jacob’s and has the humbucker split for the Neck + Bridge selection (in case that’s important for your customer). Remove the pink wire if you want the N+B selection to be full humbucker.

I’ve also taken one of the poles for tone outputs. As it’s a super Strat style, I figured a tone for the bridge pickup would be expected so it’s got an output for Bridge tone and one for a Neck/Middle tone control.

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[JD Metzinger ‎ ‎]

I followed this diagram you setup for me (thank you so much btw) but remembered that the customer wants a volume for neck/middle, and a volume and tone for the bridge. He’s not concerned with a tone for the neck/middle.

Everything was working as intended, and I successfully added the blower switch, but when I went to alter it to individual volumes… Now the bridge is split in #1 position, and full in #2. The blower switch seems to work split, except when you’re in the 2 and 4 positions…

I’m baffled, and cant seem to figure out what I’m missing here. I’ll draw up a diagram of how I did it

[JD Metzinger ‎ ‎]

Thanks for the help y’all, I went with Gerry’s configuration and to add in a push/pull for the blower switch

I tried to follow Seymour Duncan’s instructions: https://www.seymourduncan.com/blog/latest-updates/guitar-wiring-explored-adding-a-blower-switch

And this one I found apparently from Suhr: http://www.lonephantom.com/2011/01/suhr-style-blower-switch-pickup-modification/

But it seems to be working in reverse (down is humbucker on) and is still affected by the volume. It also just seems to add the bridge humbucker in, rather than direct to jack overriding the rest like I thought

Any ideas what I missed?

edit: I figured one part of it out, I had a normal hot wire running to the jack and the hot from the switch. Got rid of the ‘normal’ one. But now the switch is still working opposite…

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Suhr style “blower switch” pickup modification – Lone Phantom

Suhr style “blower switch” pickup modification – Lone Phantom

[Jacob Wieder]

<div>try page 117.</div>

the pink cable is the blue cable from Gerrys drawing.

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[JD Metzinger ‎ ‎]

I seem to be only able to see a Telecaster pdf

[JD Metzinger ‎ ‎]

I figured out the push pull switch, I needed to flip the diagram upside down essentially.

Customer wanted me to do a volume for neck/middle instead of tone. Now the bridge is split on the 1 position of the switch, and full on the 2?? And when I use the blower switch on any other position it’s lost volume! I didn’t change anything other than switching the middle tone to a volume…

[JD Metzinger ‎ ‎]

Even after redoing the switch wiring from scratch, and removing the blower switch and bridge series link, the switch is still not working correctly.

the #1 position seems to be split, and #2 is full humbucker… I’m starting to wonder if I have a faulty switch or maybe some solder got onto the contacts.

[Jacob Wieder]

hmm, sorry i didn t read the part with the pots.

With wiring, making it new from scratch is often faster than finding the mistake. Could you take some photos, and a drawing of your complete wiring including the pots? Maybe than we can find out. Most often it is only one cable

[JD Metzinger ‎ ‎]

Sorry for the crude paint drawing, did this on my laptop with a trackpad haha

The pots are all grounded

I think I covered everything I did, let me know if this is too confusing

edit: I noticed a mistake, the wire and jumper coming from the bridge tone should be one lug over

e2: fixed it

[JD Metzinger ‎ ‎]

Here’s some pictures, please don’t mind the fried wires, I’ve been troubleshooting this all day

I changed some of the colors around in the diagram, these are old Dimarzio HS-2 and seem to have a different color code than the modern ones, I used the same wires as the original wiring harness. The guitar being a MIJ Strat with the S1 tremolo

The baffling thing is that I sent a video to the customer of me testing every position and the blower switch and everything worked in the video…

[Jacob Wieder]

Good morning (or good night if you are in another time zone 😉

the main thing that went sideways, is the middle pot. It is not connected in a useful way. It will let you lose volume, treble and it acts together with the first pot in a funky way.

if the Push Pull is activated only the bridge is active without volume pots, but with coil split on 2 and 4.

Because there where a lot of posts now: Can you write down again what you want the guitar to do exactly in every position?

Cheers

[Gerry Hayes Haze Guitars]

Just catching up on this now. Sorry. Agree with Jacob that a recap of what’s needed in every position would be useful and please include pot info too if you want them to do particular things.

Maybe confirm what pickups you have too and if you know the colours for each. 👍

[Gerry Hayes Haze Guitars]

A thought in re-reading. I think you mentioned that you disconnected the series link from the switch but that the humbucker was still splitting in one position. If the series link is just twisted together as usual and not connected to either the hot or ground that shouldn’t happen. Maybe we should double check our pickup colours to be sure we’re on the right track

[JD Metzinger ‎ ‎]

Thanks for the replies guys.

What we’re trying to achieve is:

Bridge

Bridge split

Middle only

Neck and Bridge together (preferably split)

Neck

—

Bridge volume – with push pull blower bypass

Neck and Middle volume

Bridge tone

Gerry at some point I really need to purchase your book!

[JD Metzinger ‎ ‎]

The Bridge is a Seymour Duncan, so the I believe I have the color codes correct there

The two singles are early Dimarzio HS-2, but I copied the configuration from the original wiring harness, but I will double check myself a little later when I have the chance

[Jacob Wieder]

Hey,

that is a tricky one, the pots make everything complicated. I am on a long distance train ride so that was a perfect way of passing the time 🙂 Maybe Gerry wants to check my wiring, because I can not test it? But I think this works.

[Jacob Wieder]

If you would want the bridge vol pot working in position 4 instead of the middle pot the lower part of the 5 way switch would look like this

[JD Metzinger ‎ ‎]

Thanks Jacob! I will try these out soon and report back

[JD Metzinger ‎ ‎]

I tried to match the diagram as best as I can, and everything seems to line up correctly…

The switch is functioning upside down, down being bypass mode. The humbucker seems to only work in position 2 and 4 with the switch engaged (down), in every other mode it’s split. Even position 1

[JD Metzinger ‎ ‎]

Here’s a couple pics of the switches. Starting to think about going with a simpler setup and retrying this setup at a later date

[JD Metzinger ‎ ‎]

Turns out the bridge pickup had a lead wire that was on the verge of breaking so the pickup was intermittent. Separate issue probably anyway

[Jacob Wieder]

Hi,

maybe it is a good idea to go for a simpler setup.

I can not recognice to much from the photos, but with the switch:

nr1 should not be connected

nr2 goes to the pot and what i called b on the 5 way switch

c1 goes to what i called a on the 5way

c2 goes to the tip of the jack

nr 3 goes to humbucker main out

nr 4 goes to what i called d on the 5 way

I saw that nr 4 is not connected on your photo, so there is something going sideways.

But it is also very possible that i made a mistake in the design?

Good luck