Gibson LG-1 1957 fingerboard extension glue will not loosen

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  • Gibson LG-1 1957 fingerboard extension glue will not loosen

    Posted by John Krupa JK Grooves Guitar & Amp Works on May 28, 2024 at 5:59 pm

    Today I have spent the better part of five hours attempting to get the fingerboard extension free on this guitar. I am using the method I have used for dozens of neck resets: 100 watt halogen bulb with heat shields. After a couple hours I thought I was making some progress under one corner, only to discover after some movement that my palette knife was going through the top. I then abandoned that area and have been applying heat and have tried to work the knife under other points, but I cannot even get it to start. Some notes: I did score the finish before beginning the process all along the fingerboard extension. Also, it seems that there has not been a neck reset done on this guitar previously. I am assuming that it is hide glue that has crystallized over time, however, it is behaving the way I would expect epoxy to behave. I do not want to saw the fingerboard extension because there is a crack that needs to be repaired that runs between the fingerboard extension and the pick guard. I am considering using LMI heat blanket with a caul tomorrow and try again. I am also considering using a hot puck light inside the guitar pointed upward. I do want to be cautious not to burn the guitar. I am also concerned that lack of heat may not be my problem at this point. I have performed many difficult neck resets, each with their own sets of surprises, but I have never experienced such an uncooperative glue joint as this before. Any suggestions would be much appreciated. Thank you!

  • 4 Replies
  • David Keeley

    Member
    May 28, 2024 at 8:28 pm

    This does sound like a tricky one. I’m not sure about the glue Gibson used in 1957. I can tell you that I’ve done a neck reset on a 1961 LG0 with a mahogany top. That reset seemed like any other normal reset. However, I use a mini plastic seal iron that I can adjust the temperature on. I can crank that up to 350+ degrees if I need, but usually I can get the extension to release at around 180-200 degrees and go slow.. Most glues, even epoxy I believe will release at around 180 degrees. Can you place a digital thermometer on the fingerboard with your 100 watt halogen light? When I first started doing resets I used a 250 watt heat lamp. It worked, but I felt uncomfortable having a 5″ bulb above a 2.5″ fretboard even with foil and cardboard baffles to protect the top. The picture shows the iron I use. That is not a Gibson LG0.

    • John Krupa JK Grooves Guitar & Amp Works

      Member
      May 29, 2024 at 9:43 am

      Thank you David. I will attempt it again today using my heat blanket with the thermometer to see if I can get it hotter. I have the heat blanket that is for a full-length fretboard, but I will find a way to set it up to just sit on the fingerboard extension. If that doesn’t work, it looks like I can get an iron like yours relatively cheap on eBay. I’m just going to be patient with it to try to avoid any more damage.

  • Ian Davlin The Looth Group

    Administrator
    May 30, 2024 at 5:22 am
    • There’s a lot going on here. So I’ll make a list
    1. The lightbulb I use is the 250 watt infrared bulb. Not sure how it compares to the halogen.
    2. If it is hide glue, I like to add spit to my knife. It’s tempting to use water, but the viscosity of water is too low and will get under the finish and discolor. Also spit has enzymes that are designed to break down animal proteins.
    3. Heat from the inside may loosen braces and would be good to avoid.
    4. I’m not sure how cutting the fingerboard extension would help.
    5. My rule of thumb for fingerboard extension heat is for it to be just south of the fingerboard releasing resin.
    6. If you caught extreme runout with your first attempt, try going from the neck end. It’s harder to start cleaning, but sometimes it works better to get is going from the opposite end.

    • John Krupa JK Grooves Guitar & Amp Works

      Member
      May 30, 2024 at 9:21 am

      Thanks for your response Ian. I was going to post an update this morning after attempting it again yesterday.

      On the first day, after five hours with the halogen bulb, I had gotten the knife going under the left corner (though very little progress), then I got it going again on the same side by the neck joint. Ultimately they started to come together, but then I noticed the knife was going through the top in both locations.

      I made another attempt yesterday. This time using the heat blanket. I slowly raised the temperature to 220F and started again to try to work the knife under the right corner (closest to the pick guard). I could not get it under at all after several more hours of heat, with the heat eventually getting up to 300F. This caused the inlay to burn up and there was a noticeable amount of resin coming out of the fingerboard. I was pushing with an earnest amount of force with several different types of pallet knives. I was not using water or spit, but De-Glue Goo. I also tried from the right side above the pick guard close to the neck joint. The knives would not go even a millimeter in either location.

      I have attached some pics. The main reason I am attempting the neck reset is so I can perform the crack repairs that are along the fingerboard extension. Those were present when I received the guitar. Since the neck angle is not terrible, I am considering how I can attack the crack repairs without removing the neck. This is not the preferred plan though. It confounds me that I cannot get this glue to release. Like I said, I’ve had some difficult ones in the past, but this one is beyond anything I’ve experienced in stubborn.

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